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Pokeraddict

Would video dice be allowed in CA? Years ago there was a craps machine called Hot Shot Dice that was a video never ever craps game. Shooters rolled video dice using a trackball similar to Centipede. Would that pass the law on dice?
As for this machine, it certainly seems random to me. Most places have removed comps/points altogether on them or lowered them 75%.

RaleighCraps

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If there was any consistent bias at all in the roll of the dice, the players would be able to exploit it. As soon as you can determine that 4s are coming more often than they should, it would make it an AP to Buy the 4. The same would be true for every number that had a bias.
The only way the players could get cheated is if the machine is able to influence the roll based on the current bets. And it does not sound like that is probable.

Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back ! Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!

AlanMendelson

If the Shoot To Win machine is a true 'slot machine' then it has to be programmed to return -- if I remember correctly -- 75% in Nevada.
If it is a true random roll of large dice caused by a mechanical push then there is no requirement that it return anything.
From checking various YouTube videos it appears that the designated shooter decides at what position and when to 'bounce the dice.' That doesn't negate the possibility of magnets, loads, whatever.
But if you found a machine to be rigged to go one way, you simply bet the other way.
This is what I tell my sister and her husband twice a year when they return from their semi-annual cruise vacations. 'The dice were ice cold, they always are,' they tell me. 'So play the don't,' I tell them.
I also suggest charting the game. Pooling the charting info here could be beneficial.
But what is most beneficial for playing the game is that even on small bets it makes the 'correct payouts.'

buzzpaff

I am looker for a backer for my Bubble Machine Dice Setting school. It is based on biorhythm manipulation of the RNG.
I am currently negotiating with John Patrick as an endorsement.

RaleighCraps

...I also suggest charting the game. Pooling the charting info here could be beneficial.
But what is most beneficial for playing the game is that even on small bets it makes the 'correct payouts.'

Charting the game and pooling the results could prove interesting. If there was an anomaly this board would certainly have the people to find it.
Always making the 'correct payouts' though actually would hurt some of us. An easy example is the Buy 4.
Almost every casino will let me Buy the 4 for $30, but only charge me $1 vig. I've never pushed it, but I have been told I could even bet $39 in some casinos and still only be charged $1. So that effectively lowers my Vig from 5% down to 3%. I'm too lazy to do the math, but that would make the Buy 4, vig on win, something less than the 1.67%.

Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back ! Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!

AlanMendelson

do you pay the vig when you buy the 4?? I only pay the vig on the wins.
But getting back to Bubble Craps. When I see it being played, players are betting $1 and $2 -- limits less than the casino minimums for the live table game. At Caesars LV for example, their tables are usually $10 minimums but the Shoot To Win game is $1 minimum bets. So you get the correct payout when you place, for example, the 6, 8, etc., down to the penny.

RaleighCraps

do you pay the vig when you buy the 4?? I only pay the vig on the wins.
But getting back to Bubble Craps. When I see it being played, players are betting $1 and $2 -- limits less than the casino minimums for the live table game. At Caesars LV for example, their tables are usually $10 minimums but the Shoot To Win game is $1 minimum bets. So you get the correct payout when you place, for example, the 6, 8, etc., down to the penny.

I try to avoid casinos that charge the Vig upfront (which is a big part of me having not been back to AC in 10 years). When I have to play in them, I limit my Buy 4/10 action unless there are so many of them rolling that it requires me to play them. ;-) Seriously though, I will only play the inside as a rule, and the 4/10 as occasional exceptions.
Yes, there certainly is a benefit to Bubble Craps for people who wish to play craps, at low, low minimums. Personally, I have never understood the desire to play craps for $1. I know I am probably not going to win after an hour of play, but if I do get that positive variance, I would like it to be more than $10. I understand we all have different valuations of what is discretionary funds, and what is affordable, so I am only saying, for myself I would not find $1 craps to be fun.

Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back ! Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!

AlanMendelson

Craps being a negative expectation game is a lot of fun at the lowest levels possible. Before we arrive in Vegas we stop at the Gold Strike in Jean, NV, about 25 minutes from the center strip.
Gold Strike usually has only one table going, $3 minimum. I have a blast with a $100 buy-in which gets the 'craps bug' out of my system for when I arrive at Caesars and have to face mostly $25 tables for most of the weekend.
Ironically, I had one of my best hands at Gold Strike in years -- and it was the same weekend that I hit five numbers on the fire bet at Caesars for $2500. I held the dice at GS for about a half hour, did very little pressing, and won about $250 starting with about $20 on the layout. Only 2X odds.

guido111

Would video dice be allowed in CA? Years ago there was a craps machine called Hot Shot Dice that was a video never ever craps game. Shooters rolled video dice using a trackball similar to Centipede. Would that pass the law on dice?

I saw that game at Viejas Casino in Alpine just east of San Diego, CA back in 2007. It is not there any more.
ShuffleMaster has Vegas Star Craps that was at Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio, CA.
It was always breaking down. Now they have the 3 dice Organic Craps game.

Quote: Pokeraddict

As for this machine, it certainly seems random to me. Most places have removed comps/points altogether on them or lowered them 75%.

Yes, it looks to be 100% random. The rounded dice allows for some crazy rolls.
After the 20 second countdown to make all your bets, the dice platform starts to vibrate for about 3 seconds and the shooter can not 'pop' the dice during that time. Each shooter can take up to 20 seconds to 'hit the button' to 'shoot the dice'.
As the dice come to a stop, the platform does another slight vibration for a second and this can keep the dice moving. I noticed this at my last visit last month.
Maybe it is so the dice do not lean on the edge of the platform and cause a 're-pop' so both dice are flat on the platform.

guido111

Craps being a negative expectation game is a lot of fun at the lowest levels possible. Before we arrive in Vegas we stop at the Gold Strike in Jean, NV, about 25 minutes from the center strip.
Gold Strike usually has only one table going, $3 minimum. I have a blast with a $100 buy-in which gets the 'craps bug' out of my system for when I arrive at Caesars and have to face mostly $25 tables for most of the weekend.

I have hit GS about 5 times a year since 2006 and I have only seen one Craps table there.
Their pit is not that big.
Currently it is $3 to $500 and 345X odds.
The Shoot to Win Craps is between the Craps table and the Cage.
They really lowered the max bets on every bet there.
I saw the pass line was $1 to $10.
You can bet $500 on the real Craps table.

Bubble Craps San Manuel Cardoso

The machine has no TITO. All hand pay on every cash out.
Maybe the slot attendants complained.

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They always seemed nice.

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